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EP2: Israel Oketade... "You're Never Too Lost"

February 09, 2024 • Steffan Lynch • Episode 2

Another 1 on 1 interview with Israel Oketade. In this episode 2, we're taking a deep dive into who Israel is and has been In First Person.

His life story. Christ. Brokenness. Prostitution. School. Smoking. Church. All of it.

I can promise you, Israel did not hold back in this interview.

Some parts inspiring. Others shocking. Some laughs. Some hurt. But you won't regret watching.

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So I hid it under thechairs in the library.My head of year comes and she's like,"Israel, can I speak to you?"I'm like, "Yeah, sure,sure, sure, what's this about?"Takes me to a room, searches my bag.She doesn't find anything.She's like, "Where's theweed, where's the weed?"Shouts at me, "It's gonnaget long for you this time."I'm like, "Okay, cool, so I panic."I tell her where the weed is.She gets the weed.Also in my bag was the plastic bagsthat I used to put in weed.So not only they catch mewith the possession of weed,but also.- Yeah, yeah.- With intent to supply.They were asking, "Do yousell to anyone in the school?"This, that, that, and I'm just like...- Israel in first person.- Yeah.- How are you feeling today, man?- Feeling blessed.Great, I went Friday Fire yesterday, so...- Is that a church event?- Yeah, church event for London, yeah,Friday Fire went there.- How was that?- It was nice.It fits into what I'vereally been focusing on.Like trying to meditate.Yeah, because meditation is like,it's not a gray area, but it's like,everyone says it, but theydon't explain how to do it.You know, so I had to dosome research myself whatsoever.And yeah, yesterday kindof fit into it, but yeah.- Do you use Headspace on a bit?- No, I wanna like meditate on the Bible.Yeah, meditate on the Bible, yeah.It's powerful.- Before we get intoit, before we get into it,I know who you are.We've actually onlymet once, twice before.- Twice, twice, yeah, twice.- And each time we'veonly spoken for about three,four, five minutes at max.So I just about know who you are.Everyone watching probablydoesn't know who you are.So in as short as youwant, or as long as you want,who are you?Who's Israel?Who am I talking to?- Israel, oh, Israel.First of all, I'm a servant of God's.Yeah, man, yeah, that's somethingthat I've come into recently.Yeah, servant of God, 19.Yeah, by the time this comes out,I mean, if this comes out before April,then I'm not a finance apprentice.But if this comes out after April,then I'm a finance apprentice.- I'd hope before April. We're in December- So before April.(both laughing) - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.- Finance apprentice here.- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it'scrazy how I ended up in that.But yeah, I'll tell my story.Yeah, God is, yeah, servant of God,just, I'm just here,just right now in life,I'm just exploring, likereally trying to go deepinto this Christianitything, new spaces, new faces.Yeah, man.- So if this chapter of your lifewas to have a name ortitle, what would it be?(soft music)- New creation.Yeah.- That sounds poetic, bro.That sounds heavy.- Yeah, honestly.- Yeah, thanks for that one, man.- New creation.I'll preface it by saying,I used to think I was broken,but then I took a step back and I'm like,yeah, there's cracks, butthose cracks isn't me breaking,it's me hatching.You know, it's me going into a new form.And yeah, where do you want to start?Where should I start?Yeah.- Brokenness.- Brokenness, oh.- Brokenness.- Cool, brokenness.When did I first start to break?It all starts last year.So September, this is start of year 13.- Okay.- Course year 13, youjust wanna get your bread up.You know what I mean?Just wanna get your money up, honestly.I must've went for atrial shift at Nando's.They said, oh yeah, youwere great, you got the job.I didn't hear back from them.I was like, oh, weird.Then my friend was always like, oh bro,you got a hop in thistrapping thing with me, too.I'm like, nah, drugs, that's not me.But I would always liketo smoke weed, though,me and my friends.And then one day I wasjust like, sure, why not?Started doing that.It was fun.I can't lie, like, I'm noteven gonna say it wasn't funny.It was thrilling to do something thatyou're not meant to do.That was thrilling, like, just being,yeah, it was honestly great.On the 30th of October,so the day before my 18th birthday,I went to see thisguy called Andrew Olmec.He's like an American preacher.My mum dragged me there, but actually,let me talk about how I was,or course, I was raised in a faith.- Okay, yeah.- But once I didn't have to go to school,well, not school, tochurch, yeah, Sunday school,I digressed, like,once my mum wasn't saying,oh yeah, you have to go to church.- Yeah. - Yeah.- Sunday's off for great.Oh my God, Sunday's off for great.- What age was that for you?- Ooh, I think just before lockdown.Then lockdown even in 10 seconds.- 16, 15, 14, yeah, 15.- Oh, lockdown was a while ago, yeah.But yeah, then after that,through lockdown just intensified,and I just went further and further away.Then in your trial, I started to dothe philosophy and ethics for A-levels.And that was,that was, oh, a gift and a curse.A gift because I found outwhat I liked in philosophy,like asking questions,going deep into things.But a curse in that, it just pulled mefurther and further away from God.Because philosophy,it's been into three parts.There's philosophy, ethics, and DCT.So philosophy is asking,does this world havean author, a creator?How is this world made?- It's all like the big question.- Yeah, the big questionis that ethics is like,is there such fingers good and evil?This, that.The DCT is more on Christianity.So who was Jesus?- What does DCT tell you?- Development of Christian thought.So yes, more on Jesus.So through that, I justbecame further and further awayfrom God.I was like an atheist.Oh, agnostic, very agnostic.To the point where I tried Islam,I was like, I went into that prayer.Yeah, I've done oneof the lack of prayer.Like you had to do the whole woodyand you washed your face.All of that.And I was like, hmm, this feels good.Or is it just becauseI just washed my faceand errors hit me, my face.So that's how I was getting to quit.I was like, I just keptgoing over everything.- Didn't know what to believe you did.- Didn't know what to believe, yeah.So cool day before my 30thbirthday, go to this guy.It was such a great service,but I'm still in the faith.I was just like, let mejust give an offering.I only had 10 pounds on my account.So theoretically, I gavehim everything in my account.It was only 10 pounds, but I gave it,I was like, yeah, I feel good.Now it's my birthday now, the next day.And I had to drop weed from where I amto someone who taught them.I was like, I can't do it after schoolbecause people are gonna bearound my house and all that.So let me just take it with me to school,then after school, I'll drop it off.Took it with me.As soon as I went inschool, my friend was like,bro, you smell of weed.But he would always say that,like I would go into school,I don't know that, we didn't really care.But then people startedlooking at me and I was like,oh, this is weird.Then I went to the library,people could smell it more.I'm like, oh, this is bad.Let me hide this in the library.So I hid it under thechairs in the library.My head of view comes in, she's like,Israel, can I speak to you?I'm like, yeah, sure,sure, sure, what's this about?Takes me to a room, searches my bag.She doesn't find anything.She's like, where's the weed?Where's the weed?Shouts at me.It's gonna get long foryou, this, that, that.I'm like, okay, cool, so I panic.I tell her where the weed is.She gets the weed, but also in my bagwas the plastic bagsthat I used to put in weed.So not only they catch youwith the possession of weed,but possession of weed.- Yeah, yeah.- With a test supply.They were asking, do yousell to anyone in the school?This, that, that, and I just like.Oh, and I just thinking backto that day, I was finished.Like, honestly, I waslike, this, this is downhill.Like, then they werelike, oh no, it's all right.Like, you're still 17.I'm like, no, it's my18th birthday today.So like, if.- Adult.- Yeah, I'm an adult.- I'm literally, I'm legally an adult.- Yeah, yeah, I was just like, oh.One more like, start year 13, this, that.Gonna get excluded.I ended up getting excluded.I'm not sure what myhead teacher must have saidor what strings God must have pulled,but I bust case, honestly.I got off, basically, scot-free.And I honestly think it'sbecause I gave that offeringthe day before, genuinely.That's why when it comes tooffering, I don't play about.I'm like, I can get what Ican give, even if it hurts.Like, I honestly thinkthat saved everything.So boom, I get excluded now.I'm crying.I am bawling.Oh my goodness, man.I am crying.Like, I'm like, what am I gonna do?Calling colleges, they're saying,oh, it's too late for you to enroll.This whole time, justlike, oh, life is finished.Like, you just feel like abomb when you're at home,your friends are at school.Like, the whole world ismoving on, like, so without you.Just crying.And I had no outlook, so what do I do?I go back to smokingweed, just constantly.I filled that hole with girls.Honestly, I would, oh,it was so, so bad, man.I would tell them thestrategy that happened to me.This was the game.I would just be like, yeah,yeah, look, I know you too.This, yeah, I want a relationship too.What do we do, what do we do?I was like, you know what?Yeah, I just feel likethis is a bit much for me.And I felt no remorse.Like, that's howbroken I was deep inside.I was, like, hurt people hurt people.So that's basically what that was.Was that intentional,was that conscious or?I was very conscious, like, yeah.You knew exactly what you had to do.I knew exactly what I was doing, yeah.Literally, I had an intent to do that.I knew what I was doing.I was feeling it withweed and this and that.And it's weird because I was,I've never really feltlike I was in a suicidal mood.Like, all my life wascrashing down, like.I never once felt I want to kill myself.Like, I was just, I'm not sure.Yeah, yeah.I've just never feltlike depressed or anything.But my friends wouldalways check up on me, like,are you all right?I'm like, yeah, I'm good.They're like, are you sure you're good?Like, because with the circumstances,no one should be good.But I was just like,yeah, man, that's life.That's literally mysaying, that's just life, man.Stuff happens.And around me, I had friendswho, like, during that year,who tried to kill themselves.So I was like, I saw it from both angles,if that makes sense.I was also a person who,I saw a person who wassuicidal from that point of view.And I saw it from aperson who should be suicidal,but isn't suicidal.So I was like, it was just a weirdparallel to see it from.And then, cool.They've gone to the new year now.I decided at this point toteach myself A levels now.My brother done it.Funny enough, my brother also,he didn't get excluded for weed,but he got excluded forsittin' in like sixth form.25 A levels ended up getting three A's.I was like, oh, he's my brother.Send my blood.Surely I can do the same thing again.That's my logic.That's my logic.Oh, wow, what a flawed logic.Yeah, what a flawed logic.So it's the new year now.And just smoking weed every day.Girls, it's just arotation, this, that, this, that.And I've actually nevereven told anyone this,but one day my friend justcomes up to me and is like,yo, like, you've ever seen a prostitute?I'm like, a prostitute?Like, what were you talking about?He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.Like, bro, like,can't we just stand thereand I start a bit weird?Like, I don't evenneed like a prostitute.I get girls.You know I get girls.I get girls, but it's just, yeah.So that happened.Yeah, that happened.Oh my goodness.I even, that was a steep rabbit hole.That was a steep rabbit hole.Like, you don't realiseit when you're in the mall.What's next is energy exchange.You know, there's so, it's so much morethan just two bodies like this.Yeah, man, it's, itwas, yeah, it was deep.Now, let's fastforward to just like seven,eight months ago, so summer.Summer, now I'm outside all the time,like smoking, doing smartwhip, all this, all that.Then there must've beena time at a whole partywhere someone was threatening to stab me.And the threat was,the threat was very real,but I also, I was at a stage in life,I was like, I don't really care if I die.Like, I don't, not that I was suicidal,but it's like, if I die,maybe that's just my story.Like maybe I meant tojust be more than two weeks,go on, that's life.But I made it out of that situation.First of all, thanks to God,thanks to the friendsthat were around me as well,like, oh my gosh, it was crazy.But all throughout thatpast year, I just felt good.I don't even know if I'll say that,I felt I'm calling my name,but I just felt something.Like I couldn't havemade it this far for like,for no reason.So I saw Ignite on TikTok.- So was that after thelike, the potential stabbing?- Yeah, yeah, yeah,literally like three weeks afterI saw Ignite.I'm like, hmm, causeI've always wanted to like,I've always seen churchand I'm like, that's cool.Like when I see young peoplechurch, I'm like, that's cool.Like, I wonder if I can finda church like that in there.I saw Ignite and I was like,let me just go there one week.I went there, it was all right.That was nice.I said, I'll come in next week.Next week, there was a girl in my room.Yeah, it was just, yeah, yeah.Like that next week,there was a girl in my room.I went the week after.- Yeah.- And then the week after,and they must've done anevent called New Flame.- Okay.- And it was like, oh, you gotto Ignite a new flame in you.New passion for Christ.I'm like, yeah, I hear it.So I went there andwe're just deep in prayer.And I just started crying.And I was like, well,and I haven't cried sinceI got pumped from school.So almost a year, Ihaven't cried in like a year.So here I am, I'm just crying.I'm like, wow, this is good.So on my way home from Ignite,and I just hear my heart skipping.Like, I'm just so happy.So now that I'm at this awareness of God,I'm like, I can't go back to my old ways.And I'm not sure how this has happened,but it's honestly throughfaith and the grace of God.But since that day, I haven't smoked.I haven't drank.I haven't done anything,fornicated or anything.I was like, this is serious.I can't do half in, half out.I got to go full throw.Like, even when it comes to postingquotes on social media,like, I know that's asticky one for some people.We were trying to transition.I was doing it all.I was just like,yeah, man, this is Jesus.This is God.So I started consecrating.I used to, I love Kanye West,but we used to love Kanye West.Even when he said allthat stuff about the Jews,I was like, guys, guys.He doesn't mean it like that.I was defending him.On Twitter, on anything.I was so loyal.Then I was like, Ican't listen to him anymore.I got to listen to gospelmusic, worship music now.And since then, my lifehas just changed drastically.Like, the people God has put in my life,I always used to say,like when I was firstchanging into Christ,I'm like, how am I gonna stop talkingto these friends that aren't good for me?Then God swapped those friends outfor the friends thatI have in church now.I multiplied it.These are my family now.Honestly, these are my brothers then.I just started going toall these church events,even if they were far,because I'm from East,even if they were in like,Charlton or Willard, I would go to them.The night vigils, I would go to them.And through that, I just kept buildingin faith, in faith, in faith.Yeah, honestly,there's no word to describe God like,it's ineffable, likewhat he does is crazy.And the experiences that I've had.So the other day, on Tuesday,I went to ignite and I passed it there,passed to Isaac,passed to Isaac,passed to Jay, by the way,if you wanna go to ignite,tap in on socials,I'm doing thatshameless plug, shameless plug.But yeah, so hemust've been preaching about,(soft music)Oh, I forgot what it was,but it was basicallyabout how you care aboutthe opinions of humansmore than the opinions of God.And for the past two months,I've been praying to God,oh God, use me, use me, like,if I'm the ship, tell me where to go,then I'll do the rowing,you know, I'll do the legwork.And God's been speaking to me,but I've been kind ofignoring him, you know,like sometimes whenGod speaks to you like,that's a mad idea, you know,like what are peoplegonna think if I do this,but I've been ignoring himand I've been tellinghim to give me signs,oh, he's giving me so many signs.So on Tuesday now, he does it all cool,he's like, oh, for people who need God,who still have the fear of man in them,come, then I just see,but if people go up and I'm like, wow.Then all of a sudden I'm sad.And I'm not a sad person, I'm very happy,and all of a sudden I'm just sadfor the whole way back home.Then I decided to justwalk from the train stationto home, normally I take a busand I said, then I decided to walk.I'm like, God, what is this?Like I start speaking intongues, like randomly,I'm just, when I sayI'm shouting in tongueson the main road, likeyou think I'm a mad man,like I was just like, I'm a beak in this,I'm a beak in this, I'm abeak in this, all that stuff.Then I see these two guys walk past meand I'm like, yo, yo, you're a mad man,because he's like, yeah, yeah, I'm like,you know God loves you.I just spoke to them for twominutes, two or three minutes,and they probablythought I was some weird guybecause it was cold,like, oh, it was freezing.And I looked like I'dbeen like so depressed,but I was like, youknow God loves you, like,and he's like, yeah, man,you know God loves you too.I'm like, yeah, butlike, you know this world,like it's corrupt, like ithas ways of doing stuff too,and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.So we have that talk, thenas soon as I'm done with that,the sadness just lifts off me.And I'm like, whoa, I'mjust deep in it, deep in it.Then it wasn't until I was in my kitchenthat I realized that wasn't my sadness,that was a fraction of the sadness of Godthat he feels when we don't do as well.And I just went on my knees, I was like,oh God, I'm so sorry.Like, it took that forme to really hear him.It took him trying to share his emotionsfor me to really hearhim, like it's weird,like it was just a weird,weird aha moment, you know,I was like, wow.Like all the signsyou've been giving to me,the people that you've put in my life,and I still couldn't seeit right in front of me.You had to physically make me feel sad,this was an unshakable sadness.I couldn't even fake it.You know when you're sad,but sometimes you'd be like,no, I'm good, this onehere, I was deep in it.I was like, what is this?Is this the enemy?Is this that?But yeah, that was just acrazy experience really.Like, just, that'swhy following the worldgot this so key, butit's easier said than done.For everyone, it's different.But what I wanna say is thatthrough your vulnerability,that can lead tosomeone's breakthrough, you know?You don't know, cause if Ididn't speak to those two guyson Tuesday, maybe infour or five years time,God told me to speak to someone elsewho's about to commit murder,because I haven't built the confidence upthrough speaking to other people,I don't speak to that guy.Then he commits murder.Then on the day of judgment, God's like,when I told you to speak to this person,you didn't speak to him, thenhe went and committed murder.That's on your hands.That is literally blood on your hands.And yeah, man, you cause those people,I don't know if they commit murder,but hopefully theydidn't go and commit murder.But everything about Godthat you say to people,you're planting a seed in them.And you shouldn't take that for granted.Even if it's just you just singing.If people see youhappy, they're gonna inquire,why are you happy?You'd be like, oh, I'vegot a grace of God in me.Then they'll go like, oh, yeah, sure.But that's still a seedthat you're planting in them.Even when I was really,really smoking weed a lot,my mum would be like,oh yeah, you can smoke.But every time you smoke,just say thank you Jesus.I'm like, what do you mean?That is, that's crazy.- That sounds crazy.- That sounds crazy.But then a month later,I don't smoke anymore.Like a month from that.So that was in August, so in September,I didn't smoke anymore.It's just like, wow.That was planting a seed in me.That was manifesting something in me.People don't honestlyknow how powerful words are.Even when two months ago,I started to say mydeclarations in the morning.I was like, I willsee substantial progressby the end of this year.And I was just talking about my beard.I was like, I just really want my beard.That's what I was talking about.Next week it goes.Yeah, next week it goes.Things in my life start happening.I'm like, whoa, whoa,whoa, what's all this?- I don't know something about my beard.- I was literally justtalking about my beard,but because I reallybelieved in it as well,and the words I'm putting out there,not only it changes your mindset,it changes how you tackle things.Like when you realizethat God has put youon this earth for a reason,you know, it's like, God has put me here.You know, like the Iam sent me, you know.There's nothing you can do to me.You know what I mean?Like you're formidable.You just build thisinsane amount of confidence.And it's like, now thatyou have the joy of God,you feel like it's adisservice to not at least tryand help other people tofeel the same love of God.You know, and to anyone who may be goingthrough something right now,or like you don'treally believe in this God,you can just give it 60 days, two months.Like it took me less than two months.It took me maybe 20 days to really,like honestly know the love of God.Cause that, and also thepeople like around you as well,they will speed upyour journey in Christ,like the people aroundme, like London and Ignite,all of them.I won't say their names,but there's gotta besome that I miss out.But special, special shoutout to Manuel, Tyrone, Alexa,Kevin, Pastor Isaac, Pastor Jade.Okay, yeah, I don't know where I started.(laughing)But anyway, yeah,like the people you meet,the people you connect with, like,if, cause it takes avillage to raise a strong manor woman of God.Honestly, it takes a village like,cause it's not going to bedays where you want to pray,but if you have people whohave the same hunger for Godas you, they encourage you to do that.But yeah, I didn'tthink I would go this routeand tell them a story, but you know,it just basically justwent straight to God.For like, that's justhow much I love him.You know, like I just always have to saythat he's changed my life really,cause this time last year, Ithought my life was finished.Like,like I'm saying it, but,because they're just words,people may not fully understand it.Like I was called three ounces of weed.On my 18th birthday, like,family excluded, not in education,didn't have a job.I was just a bum, literally.Like, it was just, nowit was terrible, man.It was, yeah, it was ish, it was bad.But honestly, the Grace Squad,and I really feel like,all that was intentional, you know?Cause if I've been through all of that,there's nothing thatI can go through now,and I'll be like, I can't make it out.Cause that was,that was even lowerthan rock bottom, you know?Cause,oh man, especially the,that really fracturedlike the relationshipwith me and my dad as well.That would, thatfractured, oh, it was crazy.I think he, what did he say on the phone?He was like, I think hesaid you're a failure.And I was just like, oh.When you hear that,there's no going back.But obviously I know it wasjust the heat of the moment.- Yeah. - All that stuff.And through a journeyof trying to forgive,well, not trying toforgive, through forgiveness,it's not only taught me a lesson,I guess it's also taughthim a lesson on forgiveness.That's why forgiveness is so important.Cause you may think thatforgiveness is for you,but it's also for the other person.Like, you learnthings through forgiveness.You learn to build,like, your character builds, you know?And also, like, yeah,just through forgiveness.And also like servingin the church as well.Serving in the church is so important.You should always aimto serve in the church.Cause that buildsyour spiritual character.Just how doing stuff on in the world,well, in the world build your character,doing stuff in the church, build yourspiritual character.That's how I like to look at it.So the more you serve in the world,well, the more you serve in the church,more than you serve in the world,you're building your spiritual characterand letting your worldly character there.And I feel like that's how you excel.But yeah.- Wow.- Yeah, I mean, yeah.- That was a long, who is Israel?- Yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, it was long, but it's,it was like, I couldn't show it.Like, that was the shortest version Icould get it to you.- I imagine so.- Yeah, that was the story.- Well, who you are now today,the culmination that's beenbrewing since October, 2022.- Yeah, through that season of,I like to call it my job season,but knowing what jobwent through in the Bible,oh, how much room I think,but that right there was just, oh, it's.- So according to this chapter of yourlife, New Creations,what do you think God iscreating you to be now?- Everyone says an evangelist,but after my experience on Tuesday,when I talked to those guys, then the sadder's would have told me.- Yeah, I did, actually.- Yeah, yeah, yeah.(laughing)It might have to be that.Yeah, and I like talking anyway,so it's not really a problem, but yeah.I feel like he's just calling me to justpreach to people like me,like he were in my position.You know who, but just,the whole thing is just, we're just hopeless, ornot even hopeless, but just,just in the ocean by themselves.You know, like there wasno shore anywhere, you know,but yeah, man, I can'twait to evangelize, man.Yeah, man, I just can't wait.- And what, you'retalking about philosophy,because you still love philosophy, right?- Yeah.- But even though you'redoing a fine and spin ship,do you still do philosophy as much?- I have a lot ofbooks, so my brother done,I mean, went Bristol,and that's the coursehe done in philosophy.So in my living room,there's just bare books,like honestly, there's just bare books,and I haven't watchedpodcasts on philosophy,like podcasts onphilosophy, or I read the books,and it's just always gaining knowledge,like, all because, I don't know,he says, is it Socrates?I think it's Socrates, hewho knows all knows nothing.So if you think you know,if you think you don't know,like, you know what I'm saying?There's still morelearning to be done, like.- Like the more you learn,the more you realise you don't know.- Yeah, honestly, the more you,yeah, yeah, man, like, and what I'mreally trying to do nowis try to just be aBible scholar, you know?Like, Apostle Toby, theApostle of, like, London,by the way, V cinema, Vfive, V cinema, V five,by the way, on Sundays.He must have said that, do you knowangels learn from you?Like, angels learn aboutGod through watching you.So there's angels, your angels,so there's certain angelsthat has been assigned to you,which are nowbacksliding because of what you do.And I was just like,where did you get that from?Then I've done someresearch, and it's true.Like, there's angels who are watching us,who learn through Christ through us,and it's like, there'sso many things that are,I feel like the Bible is just so deep.Like, it's, I just reallyneed to just be cleared up on itbecause the way I'mcleared up on my philosophy,like, yeah, it's great,but ain't nobodyreally want to hear that.Like, philosophy isgreat in it, but certain,it's for certain people, you know?It's for certainpeople, but like, the Bible,and being well versed in the Bible,because there's sometimeswhere I'm sure you would goto like a show, then they're like,then they all quote a verse,but you don't know the verse.It's like, one of it was like,when I first went to like London,I think someone was preaching,and they were like, what did God say?What did God say to Jeremiah?Then I was like, what did he say?Then everyone was like,before I phoned you, I knew you.I was like, oh, oh,like, you know what I mean?I'm trying to be like that.I'm trying to, because like,I think when I wentall I knew was John 3 16,that was it, you know?But I'm trying to belike proper like that.And even when they sing worship songs,there's still songs that I don't know,but I wanna know everything, you know?So that's really whatI'm focusing on now.- I see two options, theadded to where I see it, right?- Yeah.- As you draw closer to God,I think there's twooptions for everything else.Everything else, asyou increase with God,everything else decreases.So you seek the Bible more,you seek philosophy less, for example.Or it could be a thing ofyour love for philosophyelevates your study for the Bible.- Yeah.- So I guess my question is,what path do you think you're going down?Is it that everything else decreasesor everything else elevates youand helps you with theBible and with Christ more?- I think it helps me withthe Bible and with Christ more.Especially when I talkto people about Jesus,there's a lot of things thatpeople don't know about Jesus,that I know through my philosophy.You know, like, where do I even start?Where do I even start?Oh my gosh.Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow.Just like the actual history of Jesus,how he rolled in on a donkeyand how political that was.People don't even know that,but him riding in on adonkey was so political.Like even the stuff in the Biblewhere the prodigal son,when he ran to hug his son,people in those days, they don't run.Cause they would wear a long tunic,which would cover their legs.So in order to run, hewould have to lift upand show his legs.And for a man to show his legs back then,that was a shameless act.But that was, but people don't know thatbecause they justread it like face value.They don't know the context.I feel like context really helps youunderstand the Bible more.So for him running, that's him letting goof all pride and everything.Like just forgiveness.- For the sake of forgiveness.- Yeah, for the sake of forgiveness.And it's like, well,people don't know that.Unless you really went deep in that.And like, maybe that'swhat I'm sending you to do.Like to proper, like givethem context on the Bible.- Like join the two worlds.- Yeah, join the two worlds.Yeah, there's, oh, can't wait, man.- So then how doesfinance fit into it then?Or is that just sort ofan intermediate means?- No, I'm not sure yet, you know?I am really not sure yet.We shall see.- See, you haven't got much work, a planor sort of like a strategy.You're just sort of, Ijust think you're just pure,just pure vaps.- I really feel like Godis still like molding me.Like, cause evenlike, I recently found outthat I love poetry.Like I wrote a poemone day, I performed it.People liked it.I was like, oh, this is great.How can I use this to glorify God?You know, that was my first,that's like where I went to next.I was like, oh, how can Iuse this to glorify God?Like there's newthings, there's new hobbiesand things that God is--- Revealing to you.- Yeah, revealing to methrough taking out the old hobbiesthat I had throughweed and all that stuff.So I'm like, all right, God, now thatI've conquered this,what do you want me to do now?You know what I'm saying?It's onto the next, onto the next.But yeah, I guess it's justinto me that means for now.But yeah, I guess I'm not really too fastbecause I realized early onthat it's not about chasing happiness.You know, like people want moneybecause they think we'll make them happy.But happiness is a fleeting feeling.It comes and goes, you know.So if you wanna be happy,that's basically likeyou're chasing a ghost.You're never gonna get it.Like even when you pray to Godfor thesematerialistic things, it's like,once you get it, you're like, all right,God, now I want this.You know what I'm saying?Like, well, in a few years, it's notgonna feel the same.Like, if you ever want something so much,then when you get it, youdon't have the same feeling.And we're like, oh, is this--- It's more enjoyable towant it than to have it.- Oh, yeah, 100%.Yeah, man, so now I'mjust focused on justreaching a level of God that's just so,that's just so different, you know,because people, whenI hear people saying,oh, like I saw anangel, I get so jealous.Well, not jealous, envious.I'm like, how do you see an angel?- I wanna see an angel.- I wanna see an angel too, man.I wanna see that.And it's like, oh, like,because Apostle Toby, he's always like,an angel was at my bedside and I'm like,I wanna see that too, man.You know what I'm saying?But it's also through endurance as well,like spiritual endurance.Cause before, like whenI first came to Christ,I loved to worship more than praying.Then I was like, a nicebalance between the two.And that just camethrough in endurance, honestly.Like, you're not gonna getthere all at once, you know?But as long as you're intentional,cause God knows your heart,you'll get there eventually.And yet I'm just trying to build.I feel like because,like I'm still young,but because I took allthat time off from the faith,I'm playing catch up now, man.But in a good way, you know?Like, I'm playing catchup, but it's not like,I don't wanna catch up.It's like, oh yeah,dude, it's doing this.Like, doing all the objectives, all that.Like, yeah, so I just can't wait, man.Like, we're gonna look back at thispodcast in 10 years,me and Clapton, and we're gonna be like,damn, look how God took us.Honestly, oh my gosh, man.I just, oh, I can't wait, man.- How often do you look back?Do you think you spend a lot of your timesort of looking back, looking currently,or looking forward?- Ooh.- Because here you're still, it's like,there's so much to look back on,where you've come from.There's so much to look at now,currently, for where you are with God.And there's so much, becausewhere you are with God now,there's so much to lookforward to in the future,for where you're goingwith your fellowship,with philosophy, with how you serve.So where do you thinkyou spend most of your timefocusing on looking towards, though?- I only look back at when I'm praying.When I start praying, and I'm like,because I always startoff by just thanking God.And I just look back and I'm like,I just laugh, like, I'm like,that was really me.That was really me.Like, when I seepeople smoking, I'm like,that was really me.When I see my otherfriends, I don't talk to as much,talking to my God, I'mlike, that was really me.Yeah, it's crazy.And sometimes I laugh,and sometimes I'm just like,wow, God, just thank you.But even when I'm saying thank you,I'm like, this is not even enough.Me just saying thank you.There's no word in the human dictionarythat could thank God.Yeah, like enough.And then presently, I feel like mereflecting presentlyis still me reflecting in the past,because presently I canonly compare it to the past.I'm just like, oh God, thank you so much.Then in the future, Ijust, I laugh about the future.Like, there's dayswhere I'm just in my bedand I'm like, all right, God,they don't know whatyou're about to feel for me.I just laugh, like, I'mlooking up at the ceiling,it's dark, and I'm like, God,they don't know whatyou're about to feel.And I just laugh and I'm like, oh, wow.Like, it's just stuff like that.Like, I just, I just laugh, man.It's funny, like even when I'm tiredand I'm doing something, I just laugh.It's like, oh, they don't even know, man.They don't even know.Yeah, and even, likethere's even sometimes whereI'm worshiping and I'mjumping, I'm doing everything.Like, there's certain worshipsongs that get me like that.♪ Kado skado skadoskado skado skado ♪♪ He is the lamb, ohGod, who sits upon the ♪- Oh, I've heard that for you.- Oh, that song.- I've heard that one.- It gets me, it gets me pumped.It gets me pumped and Ijust, I just jump and I'm like,oh God, just thank you so much.Like, it's honestly, itjust gets, oh yeah, but yeah.So in terms of the future, I just laugh.I'm like, oh, we're justabout to boom, you know.- You don't knowwhat, you don't know how,but you know it'sgonna, you know the thought.- Oh yeah, it's coming.Like, I can trust, yeah, man.Like, when you know thatyou have God on your side,that's like the biggest cheat code ever.You know, it's like ifyou wanted to direct a film,then you had the best director ever.It's like, well, ifyou wanted to make a filmand you had the bestactors ever, like the best cast,you're like, I don't evencare what the film's about.This is gonna sell box office.Like, this is gonna go,like this is gonna be sold outin every cinema.So that's how I look at it.I'm like, if you want,man, like, as I said,just guide the ship.I'll do the role and just,you know, that's literallyall I pray for andthrough meditation as well,through just speaking itand declaring it over me.Like, 2024 is my year formore, 2024 is my year for more.Just specifically sayingthat it's doing somethinginternally, becauseanything that's physicalbut it's one psychological, you know,so it's building something internally.It's just, yeah, wow, just can't wait.- I'm interested toknow what your relationshipwith God looks like in the sense of God,and God is in many things and he'severything all at once.- Yeah.- But he presentshimself to individuals in a waythat is to their needs in a sense.- Yeah, yeah.- So he might be afather to me, a friend to,that's in someone else,a healer to someone else,a redeemer to someone else.He's all of them at the same time,but for that specific person.- Yeah, yeah.- Who is he to you?What's your, what's, yeah.- Jehovah Jireh man,honestly Jehovah Jireh,he will always provide a way, like,that sometimes I wake up and I'm like,God, you know, it's justme and you right now, like,he can just give me like a couple inches.Like I want to be a bit taller,but then sometimes Iwake up and I'm like,God, I just want to thank you.I just want to, it's just like,he was good, that's a good question,but like if I had to just say one thing,Jehovah Jireh, buthe's a, he's a provider,like just thinking back to where I am,my family, all the thingsthat I went through young,it's like, wow.I can't believe that Iused to disrespect your namelike that, you know,but you still found it,but you still gave meyour mercy, you know,after I've done all that, it's,yeah, man, it's just crazy.I just, yeah, but likethe stage that I'm at now,I say he's my provider, but,it's also just,it's also just my guy, you know,like I told him every day.Like, I get that.Cause it ain't always got to be a,So deep, man.Yeah, it ain't always got to be,sometimes it's just like,oh God, like,it's a bit cold, you know, you know,it's a bit cold, like warm me up.Then you start singing a praise song,you start singing a praise song,then all of a suddenyou just feel less cold.You know what I'm saying?It's just, it's just,it's just stalls runs, you know,I just got to,it's been to go,but because I feel likebeing raised up in the favor,it's like, you always have to feel likeyou have to be like,oh, thou in heaven, can you,oh man, just start off withhow you know how to communicate.You know what I'm trying to say?Like communicate how youknow how to communicate.Cause if you're tryingto communicate to God,in a way you don'tknow how to communicate,then you're not communicating with Him.You're just saying different words.- Just for God's sake.- Yeah, honestly,that's not you communicating,that's someone elsecommunicating with Him.So communicate the way you know how to,yeah man, just,I understand.- I do hear that because Igrew up in Pentecostal church,right, Korgic,and you got mothersand elders and deacons,and they're using allthis eloquent words,El Shaddai, El,(mumbles)They spent the first fiveminutes just acknowledging Him.- Oh, the kings ofkings, Alpha and Omega, yeah.(laughs)Yeah.- And it became a thing where,that's what I prayed.I didn't really knowwhat exactly I was saying.I didn't know exactly what,where it was coming from, what it meant.It was just how I prayed.And as I got older,it felt more elephant.I hated praying more because it feltsomething authentic.- Yeah.- And it felt fake.- Yeah.It's like, you close your eyes, be like,(mumbles)Be like, it's just, it felt,especially speaking in tongues as well,like it just, it felt so fake,but it's also through context as well,that those names, theymeant something to me.- So Jehovah Jireh comes from Abraham.That's the first timehe's used in the Bible,when Abraham called him,soldier Jehovah Jireh because ofhow you had to sacrificeor something like that.So when you learn the context,it gives the name more meaning.No, that's why it's like,I'm so invested ingoing deeper in the Bible,because then it willgive it more meaning.You know what I'm saying?So, soldier Jehovah Jireh,I never knew what thatwas until three weeks ago.- Yeah.- I read a bookcalled "Experience of God",and through that, it birthed a whole newlove of God in me.You know what I'm trying to say?So to anyone, I implore you just,context, like context,like this book has been around forhundreds of years, like,like, you know what I mean?Like, you gottaunderstand the Bible, like,this is the bestselling book of all time.All the number onebest sellers that you see,that's fake. - Oh, how close.- That's because they had to take theBible off that list.That's how good it was,you know what I'm saying?This book has withstand so many things,and you're like,oh, it's just weird, you know,because we're logical people.And when you think,why would you not look at abook that's withstand time,that's withstand all this propaganda,World War I, World WarII, the Romans, all this,you know what I'm trying to say?So it's just weird, like,even when I think backto me before, I'm like,I was just so ignorant.Like, why didn't I give this a try?But then again, it's alsohow you're raised as well,because you didn't,because you wanted to pray lessbecause of all that stuff.So it's like, it all plays a part,but it's a new generation now, you know?I'm just trying to push that way ofseeing God differently,which I believe we'llbe able to do, you know?But yeah.- I've got twoquestions I'll ask one first.Both of us are church boys,grew up church from birth.It's a bit of a sticky question,because I don't knowhow to answer it myself.Do you think that going up in churchdone more harm or more good?- I think more good.Yeah.It may have doneharm in the beginningin building anegative friendship with God,because when I think about God, I'm like,"Ugh, Sunday, I haveto sit there for hours."I have to read out,like, for a hymn book first"and do the prayer."That was long.I say that it's done more good,because now that I'mtrying to get back into it,it's kind of more easier.You know, it's like I'mslipping in back to shoesthat I've worn before.It's not like I'mlearning this whole thing.- It's not like that.- Yeah, it's not like I'm learning thiswhole new thing again,learning how to pray and all this stuff.Like, that would be hard,especially at this age, you know?So it's like,it's like you were raisedplaying tennis, then youdidn't play it for 10 years.But you got back to playing tennis,and you're better thanyour friend that you just...That dad just came to playtennis for the whole time,but he's like, "Oh,yeah, I used to do this."They're praying in front of me."- Oh, I used to do that.- It all comes back to you, so...I feel like it's donemore good in hindsight,but at the time, I thought,that's all part of thejourney, you know what I mean?Like, it's different for everyone.The journey's different for everyone.As much as our parents hadthe best interest in mind,what worked for themcouldn't work for us.- Yeah. - Yeah.Yeah, especially when youfactor in their environmentthat they grew up in,then our environment is...It's a whole different wave.- How do you...How also do you like your parents?- Oh, my mum, great, my dad, Dolph.I like to say thatthere's two types of presence.There's no more presentthan there's African present.So African present isjust like, "Yeah, I'm here."You know, like, "I'm here,but I'm not really here."You know what I'm saying?It's weird, but then...I start to reflect on it, and...Pastor Chris at Light London, PastorChris at Light London,he said this quote, like, "Idon't know how to be a father,"but I know how to bea father to my child."So raising every childis different, you know?There's no manual onhow to raise a child,and you have to realisethey're learning on the job.I know the experience that they have,they've learned it fromtheir previous father.He was raised in a whole different time,whole different tradition.So you can't blame them for not doingmore than what youthink they should have done.And it's also because,like, you have to realiseour parents' lives are ascomplicated, if not more than us.So...Not in a bad way, butwe're probably the last thingthey think about.They're trying to see how isthis rent going to be paid?How are we going toget food on the table?How am I going to do this app for my job?So after doing allthat, they come back home,and it's like, yeah, they want to giveyou attention, but...They've got so many other things to do,and they're tired, and it's like...Their main focus is just making surethat you have a roof over your head,and you have food on the table.So it's like, it's hardfor them to delegate that,but I feel like it'sthrough me going backand reflecting that I start to understandthat it's not really your fault.You know, you've done thebest you could do, you know?And you wasn't raised in a time whereyou knew how to talk orcommunicate, you know?And...The first...The first time, like, Ireally saw this was...I think one time I saw mydad, like, not cry, but cry.You know what I mean? I was like, oh...Hmm.- I didn't know you could. - Yeah.Like, I didn't know you could.Like, that's...That's different, you know?And I feel like forpeople not being vulnerablewith their children, theybuild up this perception of that,"Oh, you're Superman.You can do this and that."Then that leads on in yourchildren, when they grow up,it's cycles, you knowwhat I'm trying to say?So it's like, "Oh, that's weird."And then through that,people grow up not knowinghow to express theiremotions and it's, "Yes."But through my reflection, that's how youbreak cycles, you know?So, yeah, myrelationship with my parents is...Well, my mum is great, my dad is...I love him.I should probably say thatmore, like, I love him, you know?That's...That's my dad, but it's...So, work in progress, but...Is there anything that you think you needto do from your sideto help your relationship with your dad?Ooh.Probably act like I'vegiven him, like, I say it a lot.Like, I'm giving you.Yeah, I like to think Idon't act like it, you know?Like, I don't call himas often as I should.You know, I don't talk tohim as often as I should.But it is...You know what I'm trying to say?But then you have to think of it from thepoint of view that...The only thing a fatherwants more in this world,like, the only thingthat they want in this worldis to have arelationship with their child.Like, nothing else matters to them.They can be broke,they're broke, homeless,but if they have a relationship...Well, not they're broke, homeless, but...If they have arelationship with their child,that's all they want.And it's...It's hard to see it from a point of viewwhen you're with a child,because you're like,"Why am I doing this?"Like, they're the parent.They should be doing this, yeah, but...Once again, there's nomanual on all this and that.Like, they're just focused on trying toget a roof over your headand all that stuff, so it's...Yeah, it's...It's interesting.Do you think that's something that youwill probably start to...or try to do more often?Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.100%, like...I don't know when my dad could die.God could take him at any time, like...Yeah, you feel like once...Because once you get used to waking upevery day of your life,you start to take it for granted.You know, youactually don't realise that.This is actually thebest blessing of all.Like...There was, like, last weekwhen Clapton was talking,at the Soror onChrist's Think, he was like,"What are you thankful to God for?"They're like, "Everyone just breathe."So indirectly or directly,everything after that is God.So it's like...Yeah, so when yourealise it, it's like...Everything happens through God, like,even just you breathing.So, yeah, you can't take it for granted,because once you startto take it for granted,that's when you become careless.And through... Ah,through carelessness, the enemy,because he's, like,sneaking in different ways.So...And one thing to... Ah, Clapton, it'sjust a matter of wisdom.Wow, it's a matter of wisdom. One thingto also do is that...The only thing that...The thing that matters is your firstimpression and your last impression.And you don't know whenyour last impression is.So your last impression isalso your current impressionthat you're giving off.You know what I'm saying? So...You should always...give the best of you,you know what I'm saying?So, I don't want...So, if I call my dad today,that could be the lastimpression that he has on me.But I don't... I can't...I have to give him my best impression,because your first impression and yourlast impression, that's all that matters.And you don't know whenyour last impression is.So...Yeah, man, I have to.Do you want your last impression to be...Without being too morbid,obviously, God forbid you die now,but what do you want your lastimpression to be on the world,on the people around you?Hmm. The people around me.George is never too lost.You know, God can always pull you back.Like, I believe, like, my testimony thatI'm going through now.One day I'm going to share it,and that's going toinspire a new wave of believers.You know what I mean? Like, when you...Like, me and you havegone through life now,one of the thingsthat pushes me is, like,every day that I wake up,that's God saying, "I'mnot done with you yet."And also, when he is done with me,the story will be told.Like, when he's done withClapton, the story will be told.When he's done with you,the story will be told.Like...Nah, man, it's...But that's what I'm saying.When I think about the future,I just laugh.Like, the story is going to be told,and, oh, it's going to be great, man.Honesty. My last impression.I just want it to be...Hmm.Just believe.Honesty. Just believe.And it's weird becausefaith is believing in somethingwithout logical basis, you know?And with humans, wejust want logical basis,but just believe, man.Honesty. Just believe, andeverything else is unlocked.It's a simple process, butit's hard to instill into peoplewho live off evidence,you know, and objectivity,but just believe.So what are you...Because that person is...I'm a data analyst, right? Yeah, yeah.So my job is looking atevidence, looking at numbers,looking at what's in front of me, and ifit's not in front of me,it's that we're not doingin front of this one person.Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.So what do you say to peoplewho are of that inclinationto purely go off whatthey see and have evidenceand have a logical rationale for?So how do you sort of reconcile that withfaith and believing?And what's your advice, I guess?Well, people who are tryingto get into that, but can't.Well, OK, so how do yousort of reconcile logic?Or... OK, how do you reconcile logic?Well, faith at the same time.Well, I say...It's literally rooted in our existence.So science, the Big Bang, that's logic.But they can't account for the OneMiracle, which is the Big Bang.You know what I mean? So when you look atit from that aspect, it's like,how can you not believethat there's a divine offer?You know, like science,the capital of objectivity,can't account for this One Miracle.And it's like, you haveto understand that it's...Like, it's almost as if, like, wake up.You know, that's basicallywhat I want to say to people.Like, just wake up.How can't you see this?You know what I mean? Like,how can you see that you...being born herespecifically, to this specific human?Like, even justfertilisation and the eggs,so the millions ofdifferent eggs that swim to be...How, like... How can youthink it's just chance?How can you think it's just chance?And from...Russell, yeah, a philosopher.He likes to say that theworld is just brute force.It's just brutepractice. It's just there.And I'm like...There's a philosophercalled Godfrey Luybniz.He says, "The principleof sufficient reason."So if there's something big that happenedthat had to be a sufficient cause,like, if there's this world...- And it's as big. -Yeah, that is as big.So it's like...Why are you, like, ignoranceis bliss out on the same level?I don't understand that,but you have to wake up.It's better to be...Who says this? I'm not sure who says it.I think it's JeremyBentham, but he's like,"It's better to be a dissatisfied humanthan a satisfied pig."So it's better to be someonewho doesn't know everythingthan to be a pig who'sjust in the mud all the time.Like, yeah, that'swhat really woke me up.It's better to be a dissatisfied humanthan a satisfied pig, so...Yeah, man.- Wow. - Yeah.So before we close up, right, what is...the letter that you'd write to yourself?That you have a write to yourself a yearago, five years ago?Or what is it that...Or what... Yeah.OK, what letter is it that you'd write toyourself a couple of years ago?Yeah, last year, fiveyears ago, whatever.What would you say to yourself?And an extension of that,what would you say to...everyone else?To myself, I would say...cherish your hardships.Cherish your hardships because thesehardships that you go through nowwill prepare you for the difficultiesthat you go through inthe future, you know?And...even the worst thingsthat you're going through...there's going to be a time inthe future where you're like,"I really thought thatwas the worst thing ever,but I actually got through that."You know, so...Yeah, like, every day you wake up, that'sjust God saying,"He's not done with you."And through that, just keep going.And to everyone else, oh...Oh, man.- A lot. - Yes, a lot, yeah.- I was just saying... -Everyone else, what would I say?Or maybe a specific demographic ofpeople, a certain group of people.Yeah.Is there a specific type of person yourheart is more drawn towards?Specific type of person, oh...Is it men? Is it blackmen? Is it young boys?Is it old women? Is it the hopeless?Is it the broken? Is itthose who are insecure?What people do you have, Iguess, the most heart for?Those who are insecure.It's weird, cos I wasnever like an insecure person,but those who areinsecure and through that,they don't use the giftsthat God has given them.Cos I honestly think, like...Like, through everyone using their gifts,so much breakthrough can happen.Like, oh, my gosh.So much breakthrough can happen,because we care aboutthe opinions of others.Just hold us back.Like, imagine how far, like, Christianitycould be if everyone just...Yeah, it's easier said thandone as well, but it's like...You're gonna die in 80 years, you know?And the most thing, like, the number onething that people talk abouton their deaf medicine, the regrets thatthey have for not doing stuffbecause of the opinions of others.And if you don't do something because ofthe opinions of others,that's you saying that they have morecontrol over your life than you do.And when you think of itlike that, it's like...But they don't.But they do, since that's the only thingholding you back from doing anything.No, so...You're gonna be dead in80 years anyway, you know?So you might as well do it, you know?Literally, you mightas well do it, cos...Regret is gonna... Oh, regret, man.Regret is...Yeah.It's a bad one.And one more thing that's just for me,that's one whole thing.About perspective.Once you change the wayyou look at things in life,the things you look atin life change, you know?Cos it's easy to look at itfrom a single point of view,but sometimes you haveto just take a step back.Like, it's like... I like to look atlife, like people look at the Bible,with different translations.You know, New King JamesVersion may say all that, but...The NLT, the Passion Translation,it may say the same thing,but through a different lens,and that is reallywhat could change about...Be the shift.Yeah, honestly, that couldbe the shift, honestly, man.What's your chosen...Last question, what's your chosen...Translation.NLT, yeah, yeah, NLT for now.For now.Yeah, NLT, yeah, it's abit weird, a bit weird.But yeah, now it's...Simplistic, you know,it gets the job done.Right now. Let's just say that, yeah.So what's yours?Recently I've been to ESV, you know.ESV?English Standard Version.OK.It's like simpler to amplify the version,but just not as in your face.It's a bit... I find it abit more in-depth, but...Yeah, so yeah, I like it, man.I like it. Context, yeah.100%.It's been a beautiful time, bro.Honestly, yeah, we're going to look backat this interview one day.Trust me.I'm thankful for you being here.I appreciate you being here.Likewise.Honestly, when you first told me,"I want to interviewyou," I was like, "Hmm."You're interesting.You have a lot more to share than...Maybe you know that now, but...When I first met you, I was like,"This guy's got some stuff to say.He's got some things to share."And I think the wholepoint of what I want to dois to give people that platform,is to give people thatspace to be vulnerable,to share their story.Because I don't thinkit's just the celebritiesand the artists thathave a story to share.And I think it's everyone, from themeekest to the greatest.Yeah.And I think it will be unfair and adisservice to the worldfor those people in betweennot to have that space to sharewhat they have to say.Yeah.So, I'm honoured byyou sharing your story.You've been vulnerable.Thank you.You've been open.Yeah.And, again, you've taught me.You've probably taught yourself, andyou've taught a lot of people.And I think...I have to encourageyou to continue doing it.Likewise, man.Likewise.Lots of people don't knowhow many people they inspire,because this world has a weird way of notgiving people their flowers.No, but I want to give you your flowers.Thank you, bro.You inspire me.Honestly, you inspire me, man.I'm trapped in this world.Oh, trapped in this world.It's everyone.Oh, that's me.That's me.That's everyone.But, yeah, man.Yeah, like...Yeah, just keep doing your thing.I appreciate it, bro.I love you, bro.It's more than love.It's more than love.It's more than love.It's more than love, man.And that's a wrap.That's a wrap.That's a wrap.

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